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	<title>Comments on: Prince Charles gets it right &#8211; The Richard Dimbleby Lecture</title>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exclusive humanism and associated subject/object distinctions are part of the subject matter of Charles Taylor&#039;s &#039;A Secular Age&#039; which, if it does not offer solutions, is at least a clear-eyed history of how we got into this cultural muddle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exclusive humanism and associated subject/object distinctions are part of the subject matter of Charles Taylor&#8217;s &#8216;A Secular Age&#8217; which, if it does not offer solutions, is at least a clear-eyed history of how we got into this cultural muddle</p>
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		<title>By: bobleckridge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@AG2009 - I suppose we all bring what we already think to every speech we hear or article we read, but the reason I felt most positive about this particular speech was that it was consistent with a fundamental shift in thinking as laid out very eloquently by the philosopher Mary Midgely. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Midgley) Read her Myths we Live by, and Science and Poetry especially on this. The basic premise is that we need to stop thinking that &quot;nature&quot; is something separate from us as human beings, something outside of us to be used and exploited, but instead to understand that we and &quot;nature&quot; are indivisible. We are a PART OF, not APART FROM, nature. It&#039;s an argument that shifts thinking towards a greater understanding of connections, of ecology and of the true complexity of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AG2009 &#8211; I suppose we all bring what we already think to every speech we hear or article we read, but the reason I felt most positive about this particular speech was that it was consistent with a fundamental shift in thinking as laid out very eloquently by the philosopher Mary Midgely. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Midgley" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Midgley</a>) Read her Myths we Live by, and Science and Poetry especially on this. The basic premise is that we need to stop thinking that &#8220;nature&#8221; is something separate from us as human beings, something outside of us to be used and exploited, but instead to understand that we and &#8220;nature&#8221; are indivisible. We are a PART OF, not APART FROM, nature. It&#8217;s an argument that shifts thinking towards a greater understanding of connections, of ecology and of the true complexity of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: AG2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No offense, but what is Charles talking about this for?

&#039;We need to get back to living with nature&#039;, when in the history of humankind have we ever had such a relationship?  Even tthe native Americans wiped out entire species.  We have always sought to harness nature for our benefit and survival - like every other species.  Of course, we should think about how we do that.

But, why don&#039;t you check Charles&#039; ecological footprint (security, his housing costs, transport).  The entire (rational) arguement for having this plum in a position of authority in society is based on tourism, and economic benefits, he brings.  If those are not important, lets start by &#039;sacrificising&#039; the economic benefits the UK gets from him and his family.  He can then &#039;live with nature&#039; and tell us all how he gets on, if we are still interested in what he has to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but what is Charles talking about this for?</p>
<p>&#8216;We need to get back to living with nature&#8217;, when in the history of humankind have we ever had such a relationship?  Even tthe native Americans wiped out entire species.  We have always sought to harness nature for our benefit and survival &#8211; like every other species.  Of course, we should think about how we do that.</p>
<p>But, why don&#8217;t you check Charles&#8217; ecological footprint (security, his housing costs, transport).  The entire (rational) arguement for having this plum in a position of authority in society is based on tourism, and economic benefits, he brings.  If those are not important, lets start by &#8216;sacrificising&#8217; the economic benefits the UK gets from him and his family.  He can then &#8216;live with nature&#8217; and tell us all how he gets on, if we are still interested in what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why is this lecture not available in video format anywhere?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is this lecture not available in video format anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Cath Brunton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cath Brunton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with what he said.   The talk was very interesting and he is quite right that we should be looking to the future and what, at the moment, we will be leaving to our descendants - most governments are not - they are living for the now and for themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what he said.   The talk was very interesting and he is quite right that we should be looking to the future and what, at the moment, we will be leaving to our descendants &#8211; most governments are not &#8211; they are living for the now and for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Moyra Bremner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moyra Bremner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too stumbled on Prince Charles&#039; talk by accident - yet caught almost all of it.  I entirely agree with the  comments by bobleckridge. 

I felt that Prince Charles&#039; call to move beyond reductive, simplistic thinking  was  very well made and is long overdue.  Equally important was the  parallel he drew between the recent financial crash and the  potential for a similar - yet far more devastating - environmental crash. 

However, I believe his most important message of all was that it  is at our peril that we continue to pursue policies based on a belief in perpetual economic growth. As he clearly showed, the world has finite - and dwindling -  resources. And infinite growth based on finite, and shrinking, resources is impossible. 

Some  criticise Prince Charles for speaking out on such topics. However, he would not need to do so if a significant number of  politicians - in any  well represented party  - had had the wisdom and courage to say what Prince Charles said.

It takes immense  courage  to  see  the big picture, and acknowledge  very uncomfortable truths - even to oneself.  It takes even greater courage  to voice those truths in public. For being  the &#039;child&#039; who says  that the Emperor has no clothes is never a popular role  - still less a safe one.  For Prince Charles to voice those truths must have taken the greatest courage of all. For nobody is more exposed to criticism than he is - nor less able to hit back. 

Surely his courage deserves an equally brave response.  It is not easy to accept that we, in our lifetimes, have all collaborated in  so profoundly contaminating, consuming  and destroying the world&#039;s natural resources that  we have been  destroying our  own and our children&#039;s future. 

However, if we have the courage to accept that and heed Prince Charles&#039; call to  adopt new values and  new ways of thinking, living and doing business we  may yet prevent the fragile vessel of civilisation from crashing to pieces on the  rocks towards which economic illusions  of perpetual growth are daily steering us. 

It has been said that  a prophet is not without honour save in his own country. Can we not give the lie to that?  Can we not   -  for the sake of our children - listen to Prince Charles and,  moving beyond both blame and denial,   transform the way we live so that our children DO have a future?

Surely Prince Charles only said what he did because he believed we could.  He has fired the starting gun. If we don&#039;t respond by  running  the race of our lives - against the ticking clock of environmental destruction -  who but us can our children blame?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too stumbled on Prince Charles&#8217; talk by accident &#8211; yet caught almost all of it.  I entirely agree with the  comments by bobleckridge. </p>
<p>I felt that Prince Charles&#8217; call to move beyond reductive, simplistic thinking  was  very well made and is long overdue.  Equally important was the  parallel he drew between the recent financial crash and the  potential for a similar &#8211; yet far more devastating &#8211; environmental crash. </p>
<p>However, I believe his most important message of all was that it  is at our peril that we continue to pursue policies based on a belief in perpetual economic growth. As he clearly showed, the world has finite &#8211; and dwindling &#8211;  resources. And infinite growth based on finite, and shrinking, resources is impossible. </p>
<p>Some  criticise Prince Charles for speaking out on such topics. However, he would not need to do so if a significant number of  politicians &#8211; in any  well represented party  &#8211; had had the wisdom and courage to say what Prince Charles said.</p>
<p>It takes immense  courage  to  see  the big picture, and acknowledge  very uncomfortable truths &#8211; even to oneself.  It takes even greater courage  to voice those truths in public. For being  the &#8216;child&#8217; who says  that the Emperor has no clothes is never a popular role  &#8211; still less a safe one.  For Prince Charles to voice those truths must have taken the greatest courage of all. For nobody is more exposed to criticism than he is &#8211; nor less able to hit back. </p>
<p>Surely his courage deserves an equally brave response.  It is not easy to accept that we, in our lifetimes, have all collaborated in  so profoundly contaminating, consuming  and destroying the world&#8217;s natural resources that  we have been  destroying our  own and our children&#8217;s future. </p>
<p>However, if we have the courage to accept that and heed Prince Charles&#8217; call to  adopt new values and  new ways of thinking, living and doing business we  may yet prevent the fragile vessel of civilisation from crashing to pieces on the  rocks towards which economic illusions  of perpetual growth are daily steering us. </p>
<p>It has been said that  a prophet is not without honour save in his own country. Can we not give the lie to that?  Can we not   &#8211;  for the sake of our children &#8211; listen to Prince Charles and,  moving beyond both blame and denial,   transform the way we live so that our children DO have a future?</p>
<p>Surely Prince Charles only said what he did because he believed we could.  He has fired the starting gun. If we don&#8217;t respond by  running  the race of our lives &#8211; against the ticking clock of environmental destruction &#8211;  who but us can our children blame?</p>
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